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	<title>Comments on: Biblical Ministry Models?</title>
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		<title>By: Carla</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>agreed! </description>
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		<title>By: henryjz</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 04:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;people not programs&quot;  
  
I would agree that if you were to try and pull out some sort of methodology from Jesus, it would be that he focused on people and realationship over &quot;programs&quot; or predominant religious thought and praxis. He dealt with each person where they were. We have to be careful, though, that we don&#039;t look at how Jesus dealt with one person or one group of people and assume that is normative for all people, which is the point I was trying to make. People are different based on the time and culture they are in, so how God specifically deals with people is different for each time and culture. Again, this doesn&#039;t mean that Biblical truths change, only the way in which those truths are communicated.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;people not programs&quot;  </p>
<p>I would agree that if you were to try and pull out some sort of methodology from Jesus, it would be that he focused on people and realationship over &quot;programs&quot; or predominant religious thought and praxis. He dealt with each person where they were. We have to be careful, though, that we don&#039;t look at how Jesus dealt with one person or one group of people and assume that is normative for all people, which is the point I was trying to make. People are different based on the time and culture they are in, so how God specifically deals with people is different for each time and culture. Again, this doesn&#039;t mean that Biblical truths change, only the way in which those truths are communicated.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Douglas Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Douglas Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Again, I&#8217;m not saying that Biblical principles aren&#8217;t universal. The Story of the Bible transcends time and culture. Methodology, though, does not.&quot; 
 
I want to challenge your thinking on biblical methodology. First, a simple statement followed by a question: God has given us in His Bible, a timeless, culture transcendent gospel message through God the Son, His last and final revelation to humans. (Hebrews 1:1-3) [I hope the church can agree on this.] So why do we trust that God has given us the message to proclaim that is authoritative, complete and in all ways satisfactory and then let us grope in the dark for methodologies on how to communicate it, build churches around it, program ministries for it and export it to other cultures and time periods? My answer: He didn&#039;t. We not only have a perfect message but a perfect biblical method laid out in scripture as well. Most folks miss it because they think methods equal programs. The Jesus method is not programs like midweek youth group or AWANA on Sunday nights. No, His method was not programs but people. Robert Coleman in his brilliant, unsurpassed book, The Master Plan of Evangelism, lays this methodology out succinctly. Listen to his words: &quot;In fact, at first glance it might even appear that Jesus had no plan. Another approach might discover some particular technique but miss the underlying pattern of it all. This is one of the marvels of His strategy. It is so unassuming and silent that it is unnoticed by the hurried churchman.&quot; &quot;Nevertheless, when His plan is reflected upon, the basic philosophy is so different from that of the modern church that its implications are nothing less than revolutionary.&quot; pg. 19. Here it is: &quot;His concern was not with programs to reach the multitudes, but with men whom the multitudes would follow.&quot; &quot;Men were to be His method of winning the world to God.&quot; pg. 21. 
The book is just wonderful and I highly recommend it. Plus, a great tool to study Jesus&#039; method on your own is a good Harmony of the gospels that puts all four gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John into chronological order so His methods can be seen easier. 
I hope this helps everyone who grapples with biblical methods to hang tight with the bible to squeeze them out with diligent study. Remember: people not programs. 
Mark </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Again, I&rsquo;m not saying that Biblical principles aren&rsquo;t universal. The Story of the Bible transcends time and culture. Methodology, though, does not.&quot; </p>
<p>I want to challenge your thinking on biblical methodology. First, a simple statement followed by a question: God has given us in His Bible, a timeless, culture transcendent gospel message through God the Son, His last and final revelation to humans. (Hebrews 1:1-3) [I hope the church can agree on this.] So why do we trust that God has given us the message to proclaim that is authoritative, complete and in all ways satisfactory and then let us grope in the dark for methodologies on how to communicate it, build churches around it, program ministries for it and export it to other cultures and time periods? My answer: He didn&#039;t. We not only have a perfect message but a perfect biblical method laid out in scripture as well. Most folks miss it because they think methods equal programs. The Jesus method is not programs like midweek youth group or AWANA on Sunday nights. No, His method was not programs but people. Robert Coleman in his brilliant, unsurpassed book, The Master Plan of Evangelism, lays this methodology out succinctly. Listen to his words: &quot;In fact, at first glance it might even appear that Jesus had no plan. Another approach might discover some particular technique but miss the underlying pattern of it all. This is one of the marvels of His strategy. It is so unassuming and silent that it is unnoticed by the hurried churchman.&quot; &quot;Nevertheless, when His plan is reflected upon, the basic philosophy is so different from that of the modern church that its implications are nothing less than revolutionary.&quot; pg. 19. Here it is: &quot;His concern was not with programs to reach the multitudes, but with men whom the multitudes would follow.&quot; &quot;Men were to be His method of winning the world to God.&quot; pg. 21.<br />
The book is just wonderful and I highly recommend it. Plus, a great tool to study Jesus&#039; method on your own is a good Harmony of the gospels that puts all four gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John into chronological order so His methods can be seen easier.<br />
I hope this helps everyone who grapples with biblical methods to hang tight with the bible to squeeze them out with diligent study. Remember: people not programs.<br />
Mark</p>
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