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		<title>By: Kenny Conley: A Children&#8217;s Pastor Wrestles with Theology and Practice — SojournKids</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenny Conley: A Children&#8217;s Pastor Wrestles with Theology and Practice — SojournKids</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 17:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] HT: Henry Zonio: Elemental Children&#8217;s Ministry [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Reflecting on Christine Yount&#39;s post about Evangelism at ChildrensMinistry.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reflecting on Christine Yount&#39;s post about Evangelism at ChildrensMinistry.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 05:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is a great question and one I&#8217;ve tried to address in some way here and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mark Batterson&#8217;s Evangelism Experiment</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Batterson&#8217;s Evangelism Experiment</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 13:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] little while back I posted my reflections on Michael Spencer&#8217;s reaction to evangelism as a potential form of child abuse. You can go back and read the post if you missed it or want to relive the experience. The gist of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] little while back I posted my reflections on Michael Spencer&#8217;s reaction to evangelism as a potential form of child abuse. You can go back and read the post if you missed it or want to relive the experience. The gist of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Evangelism without Manipulation — SojournKids</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evangelism without Manipulation — SojournKids</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 18:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] past week regarding child evangelism.  The catalyst for my thoughts was Henry Zonio&#8217;s post Evangelism as Child Abuse?  Can a Wrong Presentation of the Gospel Be Harmful to Children?  He points to several other blog posts and books that have been helpful for him in understanding [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] past week regarding child evangelism.  The catalyst for my thoughts was Henry Zonio&#8217;s post Evangelism as Child Abuse?  Can a Wrong Presentation of the Gospel Be Harmful to Children?  He points to several other blog posts and books that have been helpful for him in understanding [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Faith development of a child: Careless Evangelism &#124; Childrens Ministry Online</title>
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		<dc:creator>Faith development of a child: Careless Evangelism &#124; Childrens Ministry Online</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:52:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] other day Henry Zonio wrote a post discussing the idea of careless evangelism being equated to child abuse. Henry wasn&#8217;t saying this, just responding that [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Henry Zonio</title>
		<link>http://www.elementalcm.com/2009/06/20/evangelism-as-child-abuse/comment-page-1/#comment-1396</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry Zonio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 03:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Daniel for contributing! I tend to lean more in the direction of building relationship. I do, though, try and present to children, in the most age appropriate way possible, who God is, how much he loves them, how they can best follow God and how they can change the world around them as they follow Christ. I really like the ABC&#039;s way of presenting it. When it comes to an actual decision or actualization of a decision, I leave that to smaller group or individual settings where relationships have been established. 
 
While I don&#039;t agree with &quot;traditional&quot; approaches to child evangelism, I do try and give that approach the benefit of the doubt that they are passionate about children following Christ. I just wish they understood that they are setting up those children for a false sense of who God is and what it means to follow Christ as they grow older. Anyway, that&#039;s for another post :) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Daniel for contributing! I tend to lean more in the direction of building relationship. I do, though, try and present to children, in the most age appropriate way possible, who God is, how much he loves them, how they can best follow God and how they can change the world around them as they follow Christ. I really like the ABC&#039;s way of presenting it. When it comes to an actual decision or actualization of a decision, I leave that to smaller group or individual settings where relationships have been established. </p>
<p>While I don&#039;t agree with &quot;traditional&quot; approaches to child evangelism, I do try and give that approach the benefit of the doubt that they are passionate about children following Christ. I just wish they understood that they are setting up those children for a false sense of who God is and what it means to follow Christ as they grow older. Anyway, that&#039;s for another post :)</p>
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		<title>By: Henry Zonio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henry Zonio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 02:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Robin. Wow! So you must&#039;ve shown those scary rapture movies! I saw those in junior high, talk about traumatizing :) 
 
It&#039;s scary sometimes to think about the responsibility we have as youth and children&#039;s workers. That&#039;s why I&#039;ve been so fascinated by the spirituality of children and how they view God and heaven and salvation and such. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Robin. Wow! So you must&#039;ve shown those scary rapture movies! I saw those in junior high, talk about traumatizing :) </p>
<p>It&#039;s scary sometimes to think about the responsibility we have as youth and children&#039;s workers. That&#039;s why I&#039;ve been so fascinated by the spirituality of children and how they view God and heaven and salvation and such.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This really struck a chord with me; child &quot;evangelism&quot; definitely is something that brings out strong feelings from me, and not the good kind. I might not characterize it as child abuse (if only to reserve that term for the truly horrendous kind of child abuse), but I definitely harbor strong resentment toward it. I&#039;m still trying to figure out why, though. 
 
I suspect a lot of my hesitance toward &quot;evangelism&quot; &#8211; and most especially, the cheap tricks and emotional preying that often come along with it &#8211; is that it discounts the actual child.  
 
Evangelism, at least as we know it mostly today (evangelism = neat tricks &amp; proselytizing), doesn&#039;t recognize the child fully as a person. It refuses to recognize the unique, wonderful life and character of each child. The evangelism movement also comes decidedly from a deficit-oriented perspective, a perspective not of what children have but of &quot;what they lack&quot; (in this instance, spiritual salvation). Proselytizing and evangelism, I feel, cheapens the profound, vibrant and alive relationship that child can really have with Jesus Christ. 
 
I think, as with everything, it largely depends on context. My first instinct &#8211; whenever I work with any children, inside or outside of the church &#8211; is to let the children guide me. I don&#039;t like to put a lot of my adult stuff and ideas on them.  When the time is right, though &#8211; when I feel I know them well enough  and that I have won over their trust, when I recognize that they&#039;re in a good spot where they want and can use this information, and when they honestly display a desire for it &#8211; then I&#039;m okay with sharing with them whatever spiritual knowledge or thing or fact or whatever in an appropriate dialogue.  I sense that&#039;s probably a very similar process to Michael Spencer&#039;s &#8211; especially in that chiefly it matters most upon both the cultural and relational context. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This really struck a chord with me; child &quot;evangelism&quot; definitely is something that brings out strong feelings from me, and not the good kind. I might not characterize it as child abuse (if only to reserve that term for the truly horrendous kind of child abuse), but I definitely harbor strong resentment toward it. I&#039;m still trying to figure out why, though. </p>
<p>I suspect a lot of my hesitance toward &quot;evangelism&quot; &ndash; and most especially, the cheap tricks and emotional preying that often come along with it &ndash; is that it discounts the actual child.  </p>
<p>Evangelism, at least as we know it mostly today (evangelism = neat tricks &amp; proselytizing), doesn&#039;t recognize the child fully as a person. It refuses to recognize the unique, wonderful life and character of each child. The evangelism movement also comes decidedly from a deficit-oriented perspective, a perspective not of what children have but of &quot;what they lack&quot; (in this instance, spiritual salvation). Proselytizing and evangelism, I feel, cheapens the profound, vibrant and alive relationship that child can really have with Jesus Christ. </p>
<p>I think, as with everything, it largely depends on context. My first instinct &ndash; whenever I work with any children, inside or outside of the church &ndash; is to let the children guide me. I don&#039;t like to put a lot of my adult stuff and ideas on them.  When the time is right, though &ndash; when I feel I know them well enough  and that I have won over their trust, when I recognize that they&#039;re in a good spot where they want and can use this information, and when they honestly display a desire for it &ndash; then I&#039;m okay with sharing with them whatever spiritual knowledge or thing or fact or whatever in an appropriate dialogue.  I sense that&#039;s probably a very similar process to Michael Spencer&#039;s &ndash; especially in that chiefly it matters most upon both the cultural and relational context.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Dugall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin Dugall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 18:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again H - good post and very important discussion...as a person who did youth ministry back in the &quot;day&quot; of a massive emphasis on the second coming of Jesus (Jesus movement days in the early &#039;70s! yes, I&#039;m that old), I know how easy it is to manipulate children and youth...especially in a culture that is able to persuade with media and technological bells and whistles...I believe that Jesus is &quot;watching&quot; carefully...so good work...as usual! 
 
Robin </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again H &#8211; good post and very important discussion&#8230;as a person who did youth ministry back in the &quot;day&quot; of a massive emphasis on the second coming of Jesus (Jesus movement days in the early &#039;70s! yes, I&#039;m that old), I know how easy it is to manipulate children and youth&#8230;especially in a culture that is able to persuade with media and technological bells and whistles&#8230;I believe that Jesus is &quot;watching&quot; carefully&#8230;so good work&#8230;as usual! </p>
<p>Robin</p>
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