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Archive - March, 2009

Conspire 09 Live Blog – General Session 5

  • 6:34 PM henryjz - amy is introducing johnny and tammy
  • 6:37 PM henryjz - watching a video about a group tackling K2
  • 6:42 PM henryjz - johnny is continuing to talk about the challenge this group had climbing K2… one of the members was injured and they needed to bring him down or risk losing the life of this team member
  • 6:43 PM henryjz - they risked their own lives so that they all would come down and bring the injured team member to medical help
  • 6:47 PM henryjz - we need to help the children in our lives understand that when things fall apart, that God is still there… he might be the only thing to cling to
  • 6:50 PM henryjz - we can get discouraged when we know what goes on in the lives of some our children
  • 6:50 PM henryjz - what would we say to kids to inspire them to hang on?
  • 6:51 PM henryjz - this is where our unrelenting commitment to God and them come in… “Follow me as I follow Christ”… “clip into me” because life can be hard, and I won”t leave you behind because Jesus doesn’t leave us behind
  • 6:52 PM henryjz - tammy is coming on stage
  • 6:52 PM henryjz - tammy is praying
  • 6:54 PM henryjz - tammy sharing her first experience with children’s ministry… she had no idea what to do :)
  • 6:54 PM henryjz - wonders if she even knows what she is doing now :) or faking it :)
  • 6:56 PM henryjz - what those who we minister to need most from us is… our connection to God
  • 6:57 PM henryjz - it’s more important than ANYTHING else
  • 6:57 PM henryjz - Jn 15:5
  • 7:00 PM henryjz - Children’s ministry is hard, but Jesus says his yoke is “light”
  • 7:00 PM henryjz - What?
  • 7:00 PM henryjz - God can’t know… he didn’t do children’s ministry :)
  • 7:00 PM henryjz - maybe he does know :)
  • 7:01 PM henryjz - This isn’t about “making the ministry easy”… the ministry is always going to be difficult
  • 7:01 PM henryjz - We are always going to need volunteers, have trouble getting 3 year olds to sit, sound system will always crash :)
  • 7:01 PM henryjz - Just accept that ministry is hard
  • 7:03 PM henryjz - Is your heart closely connected to Jesus? Do you know what your heart needs to stay connected to Jesus?
  • 7:03 PM henryjz - there are no cookie cutter answers… it’s individual
  • 7:03 PM henryjz - these are called our Key Connectors
  • 7:03 PM henryjz - One of Tammy’s is journaling
  • 7:05 PM henryjz - we all need to practice one of the spiritual disciplines
  • 7:08 PM henryjz - as we practice the spiritual disciplines, we serve out of God’s strength because we take in God and then serve out of abundance
  • 7:11 PM henryjz - another connector with Tammy came about from seeing a counselor… she needed to make time for herself and enjoy life
  • 7:11 PM henryjz - making time for yourself, you get to experience the love of God through others and experience joy
  • 7:12 PM henryjz - Key Connectors can keep our lives fresh…
  • 7:12 PM henryjz - things like rest, sleep, good food, friends
  • 7:12 PM henryjz - What are the things that keep your heart and mind refreshed and connected to God
  • 7:12 PM henryjz - another of Tammy’s key connectors
  • 7:13 PM henryjz - new ministry challenges
  • 7:13 PM henryjz - it’s stepping out on a new adventure… maybe taking on something new or maybe revamping something or retrying something old that could work again
  • 7:15 PM henryjz - “the greatest thing to give those who you are serving is a heart connected to God”
  • 7:17 PM henryjz - now attendees are given a chance to see how they connect with God so they can give themsleves reminders to do that
  • 7:18 PM henryjz - Nothing you do this ministry year is more important than connecting with God
  • 7:18 PM henryjz - God WANTS to be connected to us
  • 7:19 PM henryjz - tammy praying
  • 7:20 PM henryjz - branden back up leading in song
  • 7:23 PM henryjz - another great ending to a great conference… i’ll be posting my thoughts on all the sessions and breakouts over the next couple of days!!! in the meantime, check out the Conspire site for blogs about some sessions and interact there!

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Conspire 09 Live Blog – General Session 4

  • 4:54 PM henryjz - led in worship by branden
  • 4:54 PM henryjz - now watching a drama about connecting with families
  • 4:59 PM henryjz - drama is done
  • 4:59 PM henryjz - mark and david coming on stage
  • 5:00 PM henryjz - mark praying
  • 5:02 PM henryjz - mark talking about growing up in camping ministry
  • 5:03 PM henryjz - ppl would come to camp, get fired up, then when he went to visit those churches they would have no passion
  • 5:04 PM henryjz - becuase of his experience, he went the route of just taking the kids and doing it all… better if parents not even involved
  • 5:05 PM henryjz - asked to be a part of a survey to see if kids were growing in their Christianity
  • 5:07 PM henryjz - significant religious influences were… mom
  • 5:07 PM henryjz - then dad
  • 5:07 PM henryjz - then pastor
  • 5:07 PM henryjz - then gradparent
  • 5:07 PM henryjz - then sunday school
  • 5:07 PM henryjz - then youth group
  • 5:07 PM henryjz - then church camp
  • 5:07 PM henryjz - then retreats
  • 5:08 PM henryjz - no mention of youth pastor or children’s pastor
  • 5:08 PM henryjz - because of this survey, david realized that parents were WAY more important than church programs
  • 5:08 PM henryjz - not that programs aren’t important, they are good… but parents are more important
  • 5:12 PM henryjz - “The greatest challenge facing church today is how to reestablish home as primary place where faith is nurtured thorugh our existing ministry structures”
  • 5:13 PM henryjz - Two approaches
  • 5:14 PM henryjz - (just a note to those of you following… i am being objective and reporting what is being said in this session… i will post my personal thoughts later)
  • 5:14 PM henryjz - mark drawing a picture of church segmented into separate silos
  • 5:15 PM henryjz - nursery, then children, then youth, then adult, then adult, then senior… and then add family ministry
  • 5:15 PM henryjz - when you ADD family stuff, at best get 40% to show up
  • 5:17 PM henryjz - “you can be a church WITH family ministry or a church that focuses on family ministry”
  • 5:17 PM henryjz - they are going to work through the different silos and show what that looks like
  • 5:17 PM henryjz - so in nursery….
  • 5:19 PM henryjz - parents come and want us to dedicate or baptize children… so it’s church-centered
  • 5:20 PM henryjz - we need to see dedication or baptism as the beginning of a partnership with the family
  • 5:23 PM henryjz - dedication becomes a time where parents commit to raising child to know Christ and community dedicating themselves to parents
  • 5:24 PM henryjz - now looking at children’s ministry…
  • 5:24 PM henryjz - dave coming up to share
  • 5:24 PM henryjz - “It’s not that hard”
  • 5:25 PM henryjz - We ask ourselves this question, “What is happening in a home where a relationship with Christ is being lived out?”
  • 5:25 PM henryjz - blessing, prayer, service happening, bible reading, worship, devotions
  • 5:26 PM henryjz - then ask, “Now, how can we as CM help our families look more like that?”
  • 5:26 PM henryjz - dave breaks it down by age
  • 5:26 PM henryjz - incorporate a new faith practice each year
  • 5:26 PM henryjz - 1. take it home events
  • 5:28 PM henryjz - What are the basic components of these take it home events
  • 5:28 PM henryjz - there are 4 things: motivate, model, practice and provide
  • 5:28 PM henryjz - Motivate: remind them of the impact parents have
  • 5:29 PM henryjz - remind that kids with faith are less likely to be involved in risky practices
  • 5:29 PM henryjz - remind that kids with faith are more “successful”
  • 5:29 PM henryjz - Model: show them EXACTLY what we’re asking you to do
  • 5:30 PM henryjz - there are a lot of families that didn’t do any of these things growing up so don’t know WHAT to do
  • 5:31 PM henryjz - Practice: first time you do anything it’s intimidating
  • 5:33 PM henryjz - Provide: give them tools they can take home and use
  • 5:33 PM henryjz - it shows that you are serious about it and you set up expectations for the family
  • 5:34 PM henryjz - they will rise to your expectations
  • 5:34 PM henryjz - dave is going to show examples of each of these
  • 5:35 PM henryjz - Motivate: share stories of what families are doing
  • 5:37 PM henryjz - Model: do a “drama” to show how easy it is
  • 5:38 PM henryjz - Practice: Give out Operation Christmas Child boxes, and set up store for families to start filling it up… then go out and fill it the rest of the way together
  • 5:39 PM henryjz - Provide: giving a “faith chest” of resources, give them a ring of pictures of ppl to pray for
  • 5:39 PM henryjz - “What is your goal of doing these events and how do you evaluate?”
  • 5:40 PM henryjz - the goal is the carry over (what happens at home after the event) not how the event went
  • 5:41 PM henryjz - Mark is back up
  • 5:41 PM henryjz - age 3 – blessing
  • 5:41 PM henryjz - 4 – prayer
  • 5:41 PM henryjz - 7- devotions
  • 5:41 PM henryjz - 9 – worship
  • 5:41 PM henryjz - ask parents to come one sunday a year with their kids
  • 5:41 PM henryjz - for a take it home experience
  • 5:42 PM henryjz - at mark’s church they let families know 2 weeks in advance and parents HAVE to go on those Sundays with their kids
  • 5:43 PM henryjz - they’ve had up to 60% retention rate over the years of ppl coming back year after year
  • 5:44 PM henryjz - If parent doesn’t show up, then SS teacher becomes surrogate parent for that event
  • 5:45 PM henryjz - what do you do when you start when kids are older and you’ve missed all the previous years’ of things to learn/do?
  • 5:47 PM henryjz - what about youth ministry?
  • 5:49 PM henryjz - need to have stuff at home and church and working with parents to encourage them
  • 5:50 PM henryjz - dave talk about grade 8 retreats that went great… but find that kids not talking with it at home
  • 5:50 PM henryjz - dave changed so that parents would hear about what their kids learn at retreat
  • 5:52 PM henryjz - using example of “sex” retreat for jr. highers… as kids talk about it at retreat, parents are given info on how to talk about sex with their kids… when kids come home, parents and kids come together for a session together… opened communication of kids and parents
  • 5:53 PM henryjz - what about men’s ministry, women’s ministry?
  • 5:53 PM henryjz - equipping them to be best moms and dads at home
  • 5:53 PM henryjz - all ministries focus on helping faith at home
  • 5:53 PM henryjz - Mark “Language matters”
  • 5:54 PM henryjz - Keys for Becoming a Faith @ Home Church
  • 5:54 PM henryjz - 1. Language matters… what it is called means something
  • 5:54 PM henryjz - “don’t call it family ministry” call it faith at home… that has worked for Mark and his church
  • 5:55 PM henryjz - 2. Sr. Pastor Buy-In
  • 5:55 PM henryjz - sr. pastors are already bought in most of the time… just don’t know how to do it
  • 5:57 PM henryjz - there are other things besides faith @ home that cross ministries… you & evangelism, you & faith @ home, you & the church, you & the world
  • 5:58 PM henryjz - so evaluate ministries on how they do with those four categories
  • 5:59 PM henryjz - FAQ
  • 5:59 PM henryjz - Can one event a year make a difference?
  • 6:00 PM henryjz - stories at his church have shown that they do
  • 6:01 PM henryjz - Resources: Take It Home, Building Faith at Home, Faith Begins at Home
  • 6:04 PM henryjz - Mark closing by encouraging ppl to lead, take the resources and make it work in your context
  • 6:05 PM henryjz - Mark praying
  • 6:05 PM henryjz - 15 minute break!

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Conspire 2009 Live Blogging – Breakout Session C

  • 8:55 PM henryjz - larry intro and talked about The Mentoring Project a bit, which is an initiative to mentor kids without fathers
  • 8:56 PM henryjz - why would anyone want to keep track of kid culture?
  • 8:57 PM henryjz - if you love someone you keep tabs on their culture
  • 8:57 PM henryjz - larry discussing example of him and his wife and understanding where each other come from
  • 8:57 PM henryjz - larry’s contact info [email protected] childrensministryandculture.wordpress.com larryshallenberger.com
  • 8:58 PM henryjz - we study culture because god has called us to love the world and we need to be aware of the greater culutre around us
  • 8:59 PM henryjz - Trend One: Outsiders View Christianity as the Disease and Not the Cure
  • 9:00 PM henryjz - 9/11 became a cultural marker for religion
  • 9:01 PM henryjz - unChristian is a must read
  • 9:02 PM henryjz - the book outlines objections raised by outsiders that fall into six broad themes:
  • 9:02 PM henryjz - 1. too hypocritical
  • 9:02 PM henryjz - 2.too focused on getting converts
  • 9:03 PM henryjz - we’re just looking for notches on our belts
  • 9:03 PM henryjz - give impression that we are more interested in ppl saying sinners prayer
  • 9:03 PM henryjz - 3. perceived as anti homosexual
  • 9:03 PM henryjz - 4. too sheltered
  • 9:04 PM henryjz - we’re seen as old fashioned, boring, and disconnected
  • 9:04 PM henryjz - 5.Christians are too political: We are viewed as being too politically conservative and as lobbyists.
  • 9:05 PM henryjz - 6. Christians are viewed as being judgmental: We are seen as being quick to judge others. Outsiders see us as not being honest about our attitudes and perspectives about other people. They doubt that we really love people as we say we do.
  • 9:05 PM henryjz - why does this all matter for children’s ministry?
  • 9:06 PM henryjz - assumed that kids would go through cm, grow up, stay in church, get married, have kids and their kids be part of church
  • 9:06 PM henryjz - because of what church is perceived to be, they are now choosing to drop out and not coming back even with their kids
  • 9:07 PM henryjz - there are some questions now about what was just shared
  • 9:08 PM henryjz - larry clarifying that we are not just looked at something “that might be good for you” but now seen as dangerous
  • 9:08 PM henryjz - we’re seen as more than just weird but potentially dangerous
  • 9:09 PM henryjz - question: is this just a cycle?
  • 9:09 PM henryjz - larry: yes, look at the enlightenment
  • 9:10 PM henryjz - question: is it OK to be friends with atheistic religion (from a high school student in the session)
  • 9:10 PM henryjz - larry: absolutely. however we’ve taught kids to isolate themselves so they aren’t exposed to “bad” people
  • 9:11 PM henryjz - the six things that are listed here aren’t just PR problems, they are sins we need to repent of and change
  • 9:12 PM henryjz - q: shouldn’t there be a difference between “making friends” and showing love when it comes to my kids?
  • 9:12 PM henryjz - larry: there is the concern of character cracks… but i don’t know how to teach my kids how to love someone without letting them be friends… it’s tricky
  • 9:13 PM henryjz - larry: it comes down to parental discernment and involvement… there is no cookie cutter answer to this
  • 9:14 PM henryjz - larry: with the issue of “foundations”… loving god and loving others (by befriending them) is foundations
  • 9:14 PM henryjz - larry: we need to not teach our kids to disengage; we’ve been given a message of engagement
  • 9:16 PM henryjz - time for an exercise! get in groups and talk about structuring a CM to reverse the trends from unChristian
  • 9:19 PM henryjz - serve for no other reason than to serve
  • 9:19 PM henryjz - at early ages, stop using labels
  • 9:20 PM henryjz - build into curriculum that behaviour does not determine if God loves me or not
  • 9:20 PM henryjz - create new heroes for your kids like Martin Luther King, Jr. and other modern heroes to put in front of your kids
  • 9:26 PM henryjz -
  • 9:27 PM henryjz - Trend Two: The Changing Face of the Available Volunteer
  • 9:27 PM henryjz - in the 50′s, who was the most available volunteer?
  • 9:27 PM henryjz - mom!
  • 9:28 PM henryjz - along came 90s and 2000s, mom is now at work
  • 9:28 PM henryjz - 2 new groups to go after
  • 9:28 PM henryjz - Retiring Boomers
  • 9:29 PM henryjz - 1. They want to make a difference (as opposed to a contribution).
  • 9:29 PM henryjz - 2. They are not afraid to commit when they are able to see the payoff. (What’s in it for me?)
  • 9:29 PM henryjz - 3. They want flexibility. As retirees, they are enjoying new freedoms. They want to set their own hours; they might want to take extended vacations.
  • 9:30 PM henryjz - Don’t just give them menial jobs, they were professionals and want to use their skills to contribute
  • 9:33 PM henryjz - The other group are the Milennials
  • 9:34 PM henryjz - 1. They are impatient.
  • 9:35 PM henryjz - 2. They don’t go to the library, they Google for information.
  • 9:35 PM henryjz - 3. They are as apt to shop on-line as go to the store.
  • 9:35 PM henryjz - 4. Video game expectations: you beat the level and you are automatically promoted.
  • 9:36 PM henryjz - This means that they enter the workforce and rapidly grow and want to get to the next level immediately
  • 9:37 PM henryjz - We need to restructure our volunteer structure to allow Milennials to move up at their own pace and not get stuck
  • 9:37 PM henryjz - 5. They are multi-taskers.
  • 9:38 PM henryjz - 8-18 year olds take in 8 hours a day of screens if you take into account multi tasking
  • 9:39 PM henryjz - 6. Media multi-taskers. Kaiser report. They’ve spend up to a quarter of their day taking in media.
  • 9:39 PM henryjz - 7. They are more adaptive
  • 9:39 PM henryjz - 8. Allow them to create their own processes—they might be faster than yours.
  • 9:40 PM henryjz - 9. They think digitally.
  • 9:40 PM henryjz - 10. They are tolerant.
  • 9:40 PM henryjz - 11. They are looking for causes.
  • 9:40 PM henryjz - 12. They are team players, but they want to make a unique impression.
  • 9:42 PM henryjz - When you recruit a Milennial, don’t tell them how to do the job. Let them customize. Yes, make sure they are doing it right but let them put their stamp on it.
  • 9:43 PM henryjz - 13. They want to be mentored by adults they trust.
  • 9:44 PM henryjz - They want ppl supervising them in their ministries to mentor them spiritually
  • 9:44 PM henryjz - exercise time! choose a demographic
  • 9:44 PM henryjz - Develop a recruiting strategy that appeals to their general characteristics
    Develop a retention strategy to keep these generation in your ministry
  • 9:48 PM henryjz - Trend Three: The Falling Price of Technology
  • 9:51 PM henryjz - you cannot use video to replace volunteers
  • 9:51 PM henryjz - we’re moving backwards sometimes and installing electronic flannelgraph
  • 9:51 PM henryjz - use video, but use it to be interactive
  • 9:52 PM henryjz - Marshal McLuhan states that technology extends parts of our abilities and amputates others
  • 9:52 PM henryjz - for example, cars extend your legs but amputate your ears and mouth
  • 9:53 PM henryjz - computers extend your mouth and ears, and amputate your penmanship
  • 9:54 PM henryjz - TV extends (your stomach, ha, from someone in the session) your eyes and ears, but amputates your imagination, relationships, mouth
  • 9:55 PM henryjz - we only remember 10% of what we see and hear in a month, 40% of what we discuss, 80% of what we do, 90% of what we teach
  • 9:55 PM henryjz - when we rely on video, we amputate the needed things to extend learning
  • 9:56 PM henryjz - content isn’t the only thing that matters
  • 9:56 PM henryjz - LARRY DOESN’T HATE VIDEO CURRICULUM! – he told me to say that
  • 9:57 PM henryjz - evaluate video on it’s ability to launch a fantastic conversation
  • 9:58 PM henryjz - question: does curriculum in general amputate our own Bible study?
  • 9:58 PM henryjz - larry: maybe, but it shouldn’t
  • 10:01 PM henryjz - we need to hang on to the metaphor behind video, which is non-linear learning
  • 10:01 PM henryjz - end of session, ppl can stay if they want to talk
  • 10:02 PM henryjz - time for dinner! and back tomorrow for 2 general sessions!

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Conspire 2009 Live Blogging – Breakout Session B

  • 5:20 PM henryjz - waiting for the session to begin
  • 5:32 PM henryjz - and we start!
  • 5:32 PM henryjz - jackie asking why we think this age group is important
  • 5:35 PM henryjz - jackie loves this age group :)
  • 5:35 PM henryjz - i’d hope so :)
  • 5:35 PM henryjz - have you googled early adolescents?
  • 5:36 PM henryjz - here are words that come up: more change, more independence, more concern about body image, complex thoughts, etc.
  • 5:37 PM henryjz - for this session, pre adolescence is going to be defined as grades 4-6
  • 5:38 PM henryjz - jackie’s email addy: [email protected]
  • 5:39 PM henryjz - jackie is having us write down some names of real kids we’re thinking of
  • 5:39 PM henryjz - 1. Relate
  • 5:39 PM henryjz - Questions: Who are these early adolescents? What do they know and feel? What have they learned from the world or their experiences? What do they need to develop to relate to us?
  • 5:42 PM henryjz - watching a video of interview of teacher and a couple of his students
  • 5:43 PM henryjz - four observations from video
  • 5:43 PM henryjz - they know, they want, they can and they will
  • 5:44 PM henryjz - a. they know – they know a lot of info… they’ve got access to it all… some students now know more than some adults do
  • 5:44 PM henryjz - they know real from fake
  • 5:45 PM henryjz - they can see a fake approach easily… good judges of character
  • 5:45 PM henryjz - b. they want – they want A LOT! they have access to all this info, so they want more stuff
  • 5:46 PM henryjz - it’s not totally their fault for wanting those things… culture is greedy and dictates that value to them
  • 5:47 PM henryjz - Key 1 to relating – Developing trust with others, God, family, peers
  • 5:47 PM henryjz - need to develop safety: emotional, physical, spiritual and relational
  • 5:49 PM henryjz - give them a place to wrestle with hard issues
  • 5:51 PM henryjz -
  • 5:53 PM henryjz - Back to the Basics of Developing Trust: Empathy, Listening Well, Asking great questions
  • 5:53 PM henryjz - handing out a tool called the empathy wheel
  • 5:56 PM henryjz -
  • 5:56 PM henryjz - KEY #2: Developing trust within themselves
  • 5:56 PM henryjz - go through the wheel to help student identify how they feel
  • 5:57 PM henryjz - example: cheating on a test
  • 5:58 PM henryjz - fact-what do they know? there’s a test; haven’t studied; know that it’s wrong to cheat; might get in trouble for doing poorly on test; etc.
  • 5:58 PM henryjz - needs? pass the test, not get caught, etc.
  • 5:59 PM henryjz - thoughts? maybe not much other than i need to pass
  • 5:59 PM henryjz - feelings? scared, etc.
  • 5:59 PM henryjz - actions? we don’t have much control over their actions, they will choose what to do
  • 6:01 PM henryjz - be patient if you go through this because some might not know what a feeling is
  • 6:02 PM henryjz - KEY #3: Know how early adolescents relate to others
  • 6:03 PM henryjz - with peers: looking for belonging and acceptance
  • 6:05 PM henryjz - with adults: looking for expert voice and acceptance
  • 6:06 PM henryjz - PRACTICAL TIPS:
    What does this mean for our churches, families, and ministries?
  • 6:10 PM henryjz - 2nd point MEDIATE
  • 6:10 PM henryjz - QUESTION: What does mediating for someone mean? How can we mediate for early adolescents?
  • 6:11 PM henryjz - KEY #1: Mediate Socially with friends
  • 6:11 PM henryjz - deal with petty fights, one-ups and cyber bullies
  • 6:11 PM henryjz - sometimes it’s educating one-on-one
  • 6:12 PM henryjz - sometimes helping them negotiate between two people
  • 6:12 PM henryjz - sometimes we just let it go
  • 6:15 PM henryjz - KEY #2: Standing in the Gap with parents
  • 6:15 PM henryjz - don’t we, as parents, like to know that there is another adult in our kids’ lives
  • 6:15 PM henryjz - Same Team – Same Goal
  • 6:16 PM henryjz - we NEED the parents, so we need to be on their side and support them when we can
  • 6:17 PM henryjz - KEY #3: Cheer them on in the church
  • 6:17 PM henryjz - believe in them AND voice it
  • 6:18 PM henryjz - help to educate the other adults about what this age group needs
  • 6:18 PM henryjz - PRACTICAL TIPS:
    Develop consistency in their lives
    Model – Model – Model
  • 6:21 PM henryjz - reading a testimony of someone who was affected by her small group leader
  • 6:22 PM henryjz - Last Point: Advocate
  • 6:22 PM henryjz - QUESTION: How do you feel advocated for in your life? Who is the biggest advocate in your life? How do you know they are advocating for you?
  • 6:25 PM henryjz - KEY #1: Hope
    Positively without losing a sense of realism
    Often needing hope because most major life decisions/circumstances are out of their control
  • 6:26 PM henryjz - “It’s OK that you don’t have hope. I’ll be the hope for you.”
  • 6:27 PM henryjz - Advocate = Cheerleader
  • 6:28 PM henryjz - KEY #2: Purpose
    Celebrate uniqueness
    Equip them for the future
  • 6:28 PM henryjz - we need to know these kids well enough to find out their uniqueness
  • 6:31 PM henryjz - KEY #3: Vision for the present and future
    Dream, Dream, Dream!
  • 6:31 PM henryjz - let’s not squash their dreams
  • 6:32 PM henryjz - back to the video of the teacher (Quinn) and his students
  • 6:32 PM henryjz - his #3 point – they can… they can do a lot of things
  • 6:33 PM henryjz - #4 – they will… they will be our future
  • 6:36 PM henryjz - Ahhh, Quinn is Jackie’s brother :)
  • 6:36 PM henryjz - PRACTICAL TIPS:
    Be encouraged that your relationship makes a difference in their lives – even if they never tell you!
  • 6:40 PM henryjz - Sometimes we get glimpses of the effect we have in the lives of these kids… when you do, hang on to those glimpses
  • 6:40 PM henryjz - closing in prayer
  • 6:40 PM henryjz - off to lunch!

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Conspire 2009 Live Blogging – Breakout Session A

  • 3:30 PM henryjz - and matt starts!!!
  • 3:31 PM henryjz - announcements!
  • 3:31 PM henryjz - Bethel Seminary reception at 1:30-2:30 in Room B100
  • 3:32 PM henryjz - opening in prayer
  • 3:37 PM henryjz - “engaging kids digitally is the best way to connect with them and communicate with them”
  • 3:38 PM henryjz - this session isn’t an argument for digital learning… it’s moving in a certain direction
  • 3:40 PM henryjz - matt telling a story of his calling into ministry… he used to go around with his family singing and preaching…
  • 3:41 PM henryjz - when he went to do CM at Bible school, saw a disconnect in the curriculum… there were two whole courses on just puppetry…
  • 3:41 PM henryjz - not meeting kids where they are
  • 3:44 PM henryjz - talking about his experimenting having kids do digital stuff: making videos, digital comics, etc. to help teach the lessons
  • 3:46 PM henryjz - remembering reading Tipping Point by Gladwell and 2nd chapter all about preschool kids and how they learn
  • 3:47 PM henryjz - “times have changed and so have the tools”
  • 3:47 PM henryjz - characteristics of digital learners:
  • 3:47 PM henryjz - 1. no longer little versions of us
  • 3:49 PM henryjz - 2. digital natives (not digital immigrants)
  • 3:50 PM henryjz - phrase coined by Marc Prensky
  • 3:51 PM henryjz - marcprensky.com
  • 3:52 PM henryjz - 3.collaborators
  • 3:52 PM henryjz - learning needs to be open-source
  • 3:53 PM henryjz - give them part of the action… even in large group settings… let them be a part of forming what happens on stage as well as in small groups
  • 3:53 PM henryjz - 4. they are teachers
  • 3:55 PM henryjz - matt came into new church and grade 7/8 kids trained him in how to do lighting and video tech
  • 3:55 PM henryjz - “young ppl have better idea of what the future is than we do”
  • 3:55 PM henryjz - 5. they are connected
  • 3:56 PM henryjz - they aren’t just in front of passive media… there is a lot of interactivity and connectivity
  • 3:57 PM henryjz - ways they communicate: IM, blogs, eBay, P2P, creating Flash, Webkinz, downloading, Google, camera phones, program modding, social nets (facebook, myspace)
  • 3:57 PM henryjz - 6. they are relational
  • 3:59 PM henryjz - critical distinction: how does media affect relationships?
  • 4:00 PM henryjz - johnny rogers “media doesn’t replace relationships, it enhances relationships”
  • 4:01 PM henryjz - matt’s postscript “media IS relationships”
  • 4:01 PM henryjz - at least to kids now
  • 4:01 PM henryjz - they don’t see a difference in face-to-face relationships and digital relationships
  • 4:02 PM henryjz - they are relational in different ways than many adults see them… and even disagree with
  • 4:02 PM henryjz - children are FUNDAMENTALLY different… their brains are wired differently now, socially wired differently now
  • 4:03 PM henryjz - kids’ values are being shaped by digital media
  • 4:03 PM henryjz - 7. they are open
  • 4:07 PM henryjz - watching cool video on the implications of web 2.0
  • 4:09 PM henryjz - video from digital ethnography www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gmP4nk0EOE
  • 4:09 PM henryjz - and the room is SILENT
  • 4:10 PM henryjz - What is the process of digital renewal?
  • 4:10 PM henryjz - What needs to be rewired?
  • 4:10 PM henryjz - 1. curriculum
  • 4:12 PM henryjz - we need curriculum to speak to kids RIGHT NOW where they are
  • 4:13 PM henryjz - we can teach kids facts, but if we don’t engage what the affective side of their brain it won’t cross over into their lives
  • 4:14 PM henryjz - “when skills and real life application is balanced with content, schools may cover fewer topics but kids will learn more”
  • 4:15 PM henryjz - why do we try and put things in a linear context? most kids are non linear
  • 4:15 PM henryjz - “teaching less” is an illusion
  • 4:15 PM henryjz - letting kids know about how to live TODAY is more important for these kids
  • 4:15 PM henryjz - 2. need to rewire our media paradigm
  • 4:16 PM henryjz - how do we restructure our media paradigm?
  • 4:16 PM henryjz - we can battle with each other… but only walk away more entrenched in beliefs
  • 4:17 PM henryjz - help others to “take it for a test drive” and judge for themselves
  • 4:18 PM henryjz - 3. need to rewire our relationships
  • 4:19 PM henryjz - matt taking questions
  • 4:19 PM henryjz - q-”sounds like you’re talking about older kids… what do you do with younger kids?”
  • 4:21 PM henryjz - Matt – littler kids still are digital; my preschool girls use facebook (not their own) to connect with friends in other areas; take a look at all the preschool programs-dora, diego-they’ve got HUGE web content
  • 4:31 PM henryjz - ahhh, battery died… but i’m back
  • 4:32 PM henryjz - we can learn from video games… immersive environment, surprise
  • 4:32 PM henryjz - for large group strategies
  • 4:33 PM henryjz - 1. learn from video games
  • 4:33 PM henryjz - 2. use new resources
  • 4:33 PM henryjz - The Lads, KidzMatter, Digital Juice, Pint Size parables, Worship House, etc.
  • 4:34 PM henryjz - Small group strategies…
  • 4:34 PM henryjz - 1. rewire prayer
  • 4:34 PM henryjz - prayer is primary reason to do small groups
  • 4:34 PM henryjz - prayer is creative
  • 4:34 PM henryjz - prayer promotes group strength
  • 4:35 PM henryjz - let the kids pray with and for each other
  • 4:36 PM henryjz - small group win for matt’s groups is if they pray for 3 minutes
  • 4:37 PM henryjz - 2. rewire relationships
  • 4:40 PM henryjz - 3. variation
  • 4:41 PM henryjz - What are some home strategies
  • 4:41 PM henryjz - 1. web presence
  • 4:42 PM henryjz - examples anchorchildrensministry.blogspot.com and fjif.bogspot.com
  • 4:43 PM henryjz - 2. real resources
  • 4:44 PM henryjz - looking for the right mix between real resource and the vehicle to deliver it
  • 4:45 PM henryjz - find what works
  • 4:45 PM henryjz - 3. create social networks
  • 4:45 PM henryjz - ning, facebook, yahoo group, etc
  • 4:46 PM henryjz - all done… matt will take questions

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Conspire 09 Live Blog – General Session 3

  • 1:11 AM henryjz - Sara Groves is leading worship
  • 1:50 AM henryjz - Jen Fox is on stage now
  • 1:51 AM henryjz - If we can teach our kids to love themselves, then they will be able to follow the command to love others as we love ourselves
  • 1:54 AM henryjz - The thing about strengths is that it is a matter of perspective
  • 1:54 AM henryjz - Many times we overlook strengths and see them as weaknesses
  • 1:56 AM henryjz - talents are adjectives, they are what you are good at… strengths are verbs, they are what you do
  • 2:00 AM henryjz - we can’t be everything to everyone… we need to major in our strengths and allow those with other strengths to jump in where we aren’t strong
  • 2:04 AM henryjz - activity strentgths: each person does activities differently… some do better with acitivities that have instant results and others do better with activities that are more organized
  • 2:06 AM henryjz - relationship strengths: things you do with and for people
  • 2:07 AM henryjz - traditions help to determine relationship strengths
  • 2:09 AM henryjz - everyone has something they do special for other people
  • 2:10 AM henryjz - everyone does not need to be a leader
  • 2:11 AM henryjz - in order to have a relationship strength, you only need one other person, so introverts have relationship strengths
  • 2:11 AM henryjz - learning strengths: not everyone learns that same way… too many times schools label those who don’t learn the way they teach are disabled
  • 2:12 AM henryjz - eveyrone does what has been modeled to them when they teach
  • 2:12 AM henryjz - teachers teach the way the learn best
  • 2:13 AM henryjz - the best math teachers are those who failed math… they didn’t understand it and understand those who don’t
  • 2:14 AM henryjz - strengths are something inside you… you can’t tell a child their strengths… they have to tell you what they are… so you have to learn how to get it out of them
  • 2:16 AM henryjz - many times we put a lid on kids when they try and jump… then when they grow up, they don’t jump
  • 2:16 AM henryjz - when kids don’t do well in school, we blame the kid and not the teacher… never hear of a teaching disability
  • 2:16 AM henryjz - then we stop believing in the child
  • 2:17 AM henryjz - “everyone has strengths”
  • 2:18 AM henryjz - what we should want for our kids is meaningful work and strong relationships
  • 2:19 AM henryjz - helping kids find their strengths is just as important for “talented children” as well as those who struggle in traditional educational systems
  • 2:20 AM henryjz - when your kids can learn what makes them unique and how they can customize that, then you get a successful team
  • 2:21 AM henryjz - helping kids find their strengths helps them to make a meaningful contribution in life
  • 2:21 AM henryjz - affinities program – 4 module program to help children find their strengths
  • 2:22 AM henryjz - watcing a video of two kids who went through affinities program
  • 2:25 AM henryjz - watching a drama of kids at a school… these are some fun kids (they were pretty energetic in the green room :) )
  • 2:27 AM henryjz - it’s a song about a teacher trying to make a kids see flowers one way… and the kid wanted to see them differently
  • 2:27 AM henryjz - he was so beaten down, that he finally agreed with the teacher and “fell in line”
  • 2:28 AM henryjz - then when he moved to a new city and encouraged to paint with all the colours, he went back to what the previous teacher made him do: boring flowers
  • 2:29 AM henryjz - wow, what a touching song reminding all of us to see the strengths in all kids and encourage them rather than make them conform
  • 2:29 AM henryjz - jennifer fox is back on stage
  • 2:30 AM henryjz - we shouldn’t have children choosing their lives despite us
  • 2:31 AM henryjz - now is the time to see kids as unique and different and see how they contribute
  • 2:32 AM henryjz - sara groves is back on stage

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Conspire 09 Live Blog – General Session 2

  • 8:51 PM henryjz - being led in worship by Lakewood Kids’ Church Worship Band
  • 9:09 PM henryjz - great energy by the kids’ worship team
  • 9:10 PM henryjz - watching a humourous video about spiritual development of children… kinda creepy watching a baby talking :)
  • 9:11 PM henryjz - amy dolan setting up the panel discussion
  • 9:16 PM henryjz - We need to work with the experts in spiritual development to change the statistics of kids leaving church
  • 9:18 PM henryjz - going to watch an interview of Zach Huner… met him at The Idea Camp
  • 9:20 PM henryjz - ivy beckwith is part of the panel
  • 9:21 PM henryjz - donald radcliff is also part of the panel
  • 9:23 PM henryjz - How do you define spiritual formation of children?
  • 9:23 PM henryjz - Dr. Ratcliff – encourage children to be christlike
  • 9:24 PM henryjz - Dr. R – involved connecting God and the child, the child having and experience of God, child is growing and learning, God doing the formation while we facilitate
  • 9:24 PM henryjz - Dr. Beckwith – helping the child to love god and live in the way of Jesus
  • 9:24 PM henryjz - Dr. B – hard to measure but can be seen in the life of the child
  • 9:25 PM henryjz - Amy – How do we know when spritual formation is happening?
  • 9:26 PM henryjz - Dr. B – “when he really gets the God thing” from a mom who sees when her son gives towards compassion ministries
  • 9:26 PM henryjz - Dr. B – another example of 3-year-old who prayed thanking God for different things and then saying “I love you God!”
  • 9:27 PM henryjz - Dr. R – “It’s not a test. It’s a testimony.” measuring spiritual formation
  • 9:30 PM henryjz - How does a church influence a child’s formation?
  • 9:30 PM henryjz - Dr. R – there are negative ways… sort of like rats who eat at foundations
  • 9:31 PM henryjz - Dr. R – eg, sword drills ended up being a skill making ppl think they were spiritually superior because they won… need to look at things like that
  • 9:31 PM henryjz - sometimes we teach kids they are incompetent by saying, “I am the teacher, and you aren’t.”
  • 9:32 PM henryjz - sometimes our songs teach inaccurate theology… we need to listen to them
  • 9:32 PM henryjz - spiritual formation is not OUR effort or the effort of children… it’s God’s work in their lives
  • 9:32 PM henryjz - Dr. B – we’re looking for the “hidden curriculum”
  • 9:33 PM henryjz - John Westerhoff – church good doing things for children but not good at doing things with children
  • 9:34 PM henryjz - Dr. R – went to a Montessori school and saw all the furniture was child level.. .and churches do a good job of doing that
  • 9:34 PM henryjz - but when went on their level… there was stuff all over the place that they could see what they were doing at their eye-level… we need to be child-sized in our lessons
  • 9:35 PM henryjz - Dr. B – how much competition do we have in the church? what does that teach about community?
  • 9:36 PM henryjz - How does the church influence child’s faith negatively?
  • 9:37 PM henryjz - Dr. R – we need to be careful because children are having spritual experiences and we tend to downplay them sometimes
  • 9:38 PM henryjz - even if it is part of the imagination, there is nothing wrong to encourage a child’s spirituality
  • 9:39 PM henryjz - children growing up in the church come to know god gradually but are taught that they have go forward and then feel that they’ve done something wrong because nothing feels different
  • 9:39 PM henryjz - we need to see where kids are spiritually and affirm them
  • 9:39 PM henryjz - give them language they need to talk about their faith
  • 9:40 PM henryjz - Dr. B – kids need to experience worship services… need to include them
  • 9:41 PM henryjz - we need to be careful, though, what we teach them when we involve them in multi-generational services
  • 9:42 PM henryjz - How does the church positively influence child’s faith?
  • 9:44 PM henryjz - Dr. R – in intergenerational ministry, you need to have something that is geared towards them at times for them to participate
  • 9:44 PM henryjz - need to have both adults and children involved in ministering together
  • 9:44 PM henryjz - kids can minister, too
  • 9:45 PM henryjz - Expand on what you mean by spiritual formation not being cookie cutter
  • 9:45 PM henryjz - Dr. B – there is no model to make spiritually formed children
  • 9:45 PM henryjz - you have to look at your community and church and see how church defines spiritual formation and see how you can get kids to that point through the ethos of your community
  • 9:46 PM henryjz - What is your opinion on the role of the parent and family ministry? Why all the talk?
  • 9:46 PM henryjz - Dr. B – parental influence cycles around
  • 9:47 PM henryjz - within the last 5-6 years, parents with young kids are open to all this family ministry but don’t know how to do it so they are looking for resources and help
  • 9:47 PM henryjz - Dr. R – parents are greatest spiritual influence on children
  • 9:47 PM henryjz - parent’s don’t feel equipped to do it
  • 9:48 PM henryjz - so church needs to be there to give resourece BUT to allow for mistakes… encourage parents
  • 9:48 PM henryjz - amy wrapped up panel discussion with Drs. Beckwith and Ratcliff
  • 9:49 PM henryjz - amy is introducing casey sunstead (don’t know if i spelled her name right) to come up
  • 9:49 PM henryjz - there is another group other than church and parents who influence kids… they are those adults, outside of parents, who work with kids
  • 9:49 PM henryjz - Casey has been small group leader for six years for same group of girls
  • 9:50 PM henryjz - It started in high school, but she is still an influence in their lives as they are in college even though they are all over the country
  • 9:50 PM henryjz - getting ready to hear from Casey
  • 9:51 PM henryjz - Casey – 7 girls who were in her group and in their 20s now
  • 9:51 PM henryjz - amy-what was the moment you decided to stay with them?
  • 9:52 PM henryjz - casey – she had same leader for all 4 years of high school and was greatly impacted by it so she decided to make the same commitment… also realized as time went by that she loved these girls and wanted to be a part of their growth
  • 9:53 PM henryjz - amy – how have you been able to influence their faith?
  • 9:53 PM henryjz - casey – over time got to deal with more topics… first year was the building year of trust… so able to grow from there
  • 9:54 PM henryjz - amy – how did you navigate your role with them?
  • 9:55 PM henryjz - Casey – I’m their friend but not the same as they are with each other, so it’s different… but I am not their parent, either… I see myself as an advocate for each of them… I’m in their corner and love them no matter what.. also consider myself as a partner with their parents and the church in their spiritual formation
  • 9:57 PM henryjz - amy closing the event and to worship with brenden
  • 9:58 PM henryjz - oops, there’s still more
  • 9:59 PM henryjz - there’s a brief segment by World Vision… ok, now it’s done :)

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Conspire 09 Live Blog – General Session 1

  • 6:48 PM henryjz - great worship set by branden… i’ll get his full name and link later
  • 6:48 PM henryjz - amy is up welcoming everyone to conspire
  • 6:48 PM henryjz - what an amazing encourager!!
  • 6:49 PM henryjz - btw, sitting next to Larry Shallenberger…
  • 6:49 PM henryjz - “see youself as the expert… the number one pick… at your church”
  • 6:51 PM henryjz - we need those of you at Conspire to check out the conspire blog and contribute your expertise to the conversation
  • 6:53 PM henryjz - going to play “Are You Smarter Than a CM Director”
  • 6:56 PM henryjz - ok… here are the questions…
  • 6:56 PM henryjz - win 2 free registrations to Lead Conference is all 5 questions answered correctly
  • 6:58 PM henryjz - get 2 cheats
  • 6:58 PM henryjz - ok… now the questions
  • 6:58 PM henryjz - “which nick cartoon has english and spanish speaker girl”
  • 6:59 PM henryjz - spongebob, dora, icarly or woody el pajaro loco?
  • 6:59 PM henryjz - and the answer… b??
  • 6:59 PM henryjz - correct!
  • 6:59 PM henryjz - first prize is CD pack.. ooo
  • 7:00 PM henryjz - 2nd question… toy story, nemo, cars, and wall -e done by?
  • 7:00 PM henryjz - wb, dreamworks, pixar, or wca conspire animation co.
  • 7:00 PM henryjz - ha!
  • 7:00 PM henryjz - going for the cheat
  • 7:00 PM henryjz - and they want C
  • 7:01 PM henryjz - contestant going with the CM directors… “I always go with the CM director.”
  • 7:01 PM henryjz - question 3
  • 7:01 PM henryjz - between june 2007 – 2008 was?
  • 7:02 PM henryjz - miley cyrus, zac efron, olson twins or jonas bros
  • 7:02 PM henryjz - she’s going on her own
  • 7:02 PM henryjz - a. miley???
  • 7:02 PM henryjz - it’s correct
  • 7:02 PM henryjz - prize is leadership dvd
  • 7:03 PM henryjz - question 4… getting harder
  • 7:03 PM henryjz - and the contestant burns the host!!! “I work with 2 year olds”
  • 7:03 PM henryjz - 2008 best selling game for wii?
  • 7:04 PM henryjz - super smash bros, mario kart, grand theft auto 4, or wii play
  • 7:04 PM henryjz - she’s going on her own
  • 7:04 PM henryjz - b. mario kart wii???
  • 7:04 PM henryjz - final answer?
  • 7:04 PM henryjz - she’s sticking with it
  • 7:04 PM henryjz - it’s a!!!
  • 7:05 PM henryjz - oh!!!!
  • 7:05 PM henryjz - the helpers didn’t get it right either
  • 7:05 PM henryjz - oh well
  • 7:05 PM henryjz - question 5…
  • 7:05 PM henryjz - as of 2007, which children’s book sold most copies
  • 7:06 PM henryjz - poky little puppy, hary potter book 1, green eggs and ham, charlotte’s web
  • 7:06 PM henryjz - going with the copy cheat!
  • 7:06 PM henryjz - copying from dan
  • 7:07 PM henryjz - he put jn 3:16… doh!
  • 7:07 PM henryjz - he says b…
  • 7:07 PM henryjz - it is b!!!
  • 7:08 PM henryjz - amy coming back up
  • 7:08 PM henryjz - introducing phil vischer
  • 7:10 PM henryjz - waching a video done by phil vischer
  • 7:12 PM henryjz - phil is interrupting the video puppet… too funny
  • 7:13 PM henryjz - phil walking us through the “state of media” and what to do with it
  • 7:13 PM henryjz - “TV developed in lat 30′s”
  • 7:13 PM henryjz - 1960 – 87% had TV
  • 7:14 PM henryjz - today more households have TV than fridges or indoor plumbing!
  • 7:15 PM henryjz - today – 63% households have high speed internet
  • 7:15 PM henryjz - today 8-18 year olds have lots of electronics… too fast to write it down
  • 7:15 PM henryjz - 2 our of 3 kids have tvs in their bedrooms (8-18 year old)
  • 7:15 PM henryjz - 1 out of 3 0-6 kids have tv in bedroom
  • 7:16 PM henryjz - 1 out of 5 under 1 have tv in their bedroom!
  • 7:16 PM henryjz - “most of kids have access to most forms of electronic media most of the time”
  • 7:17 PM henryjz - from Larry Shallengberger… Phil is quoting from Kaiser Insitute Study
  • 7:17 PM henryjz - TV viewing is not in decline but added to because of all the electronic media
  • 7:18 PM henryjz - households with kids are coopting this faster than house with no kids
  • 7:18 PM henryjz - 8 hrs per day of media content at 8-12 years old
  • 7:19 PM henryjz - 8-18 year olds… 20% are in house when tv on during meals, on virually all the time with no one watching and no restriction by parents
  • 7:20 PM henryjz - media consumption is only outstripeed by sleep with kids
  • 7:20 PM henryjz - tv gone from “family programming” to “kid programming”
  • 7:20 PM henryjz - Disney doing more kids movies because it is more profitable
  • 7:21 PM henryjz - “good thing and not so good thing”
  • 7:21 PM henryjz - good thing… kids spend less time watching adult themed tv shows
  • 7:23 PM henryjz - downside… less motivation to create family-friendly programming anywhere else (so mainstream tv is more vulgar) because nick and cartoon network and disney doing it all
  • 7:23 PM henryjz - major networks are suffering because of it “HBO envy”
  • 7:24 PM henryjz - networks want to be like HBO because HBO is winning the awards.. so you get shows like Desperate Housewives, et al.
  • 7:25 PM henryjz - how does this affect kids?
  • 7:25 PM henryjz - kids don’t want to be kids anymore
  • 7:26 PM henryjz - Phil’s grade 8 son saying he is only one who can’t watch South Park or Family Guy
  • 7:26 PM henryjz - by segregating kids into their own little world, once decide too old, then their is nothing in the middle
  • 7:27 PM henryjz - go from Hannah Montanna to South Park
  • 7:27 PM henryjz - “we are compressing childhood”
  • 7:27 PM henryjz - childhood getting younger and younger… what happens when kids are done with Dora
  • 7:28 PM henryjz - “we’re losing the sense of what adulthood is”
  • 7:28 PM henryjz - take a look at primetime programming…
  • 7:28 PM henryjz - 30 years was Brady Bunch… what were adults like there
  • 7:28 PM henryjz - 80′s you had Seinfeld.. what were the adults like there?
  • 7:29 PM henryjz - 90′s you have Friends…
  • 7:30 PM henryjz - we are idealizing a “Spring Break mentality”… time between leaving parents and assuming responsibility of adulthood
  • 7:30 PM henryjz - next issue… “compartmentalization”
  • 7:31 PM henryjz - they go to church and get god, then go home and watch tv with no reference of god
  • 7:32 PM henryjz - God exists on Sunday, and the rest of the week he is gone
  • 7:32 PM henryjz - they spend more time in front of screens where world is free of God
  • 7:32 PM henryjz - spiritual and secular get compartmentalized
  • 7:33 PM henryjz - next issue… “advancing a new religion through media of FUN”
  • 7:33 PM henryjz - everything is about “fun”
  • 7:33 PM henryjz - example of phil driving by a restaurant, “Come in and have fun!” what about food???
  • 7:34 PM henryjz - “Theology of Fun”
  • 7:34 PM henryjz - fun appears 0 times in ESV and 1 time in NIV :)
  • 7:35 PM henryjz - A theology of fun is extra-biblical
  • 7:37 PM henryjz - enertainment is like feeding kids marshmallow peeps… it’s all fun and no substance
  • 7:37 PM henryjz - “You can’t abandon something you were never in”
  • 7:37 PM henryjz - Phil’s quote in response to people complaining about Christians abandoning the media
  • 7:38 PM henryjz - Entertainment was all about vaudeville, burlesque, etc. so Christians stayed away at the beginning
  • 7:38 PM henryjz - “We’re not very funny” so we didn’t do entertainment
  • 7:39 PM henryjz - “There’s this little monk… nail, nail, nail… woo, the Reformation” Phil’s summary of the birth of Protestantism
  • 7:39 PM henryjz - “We’re not funny people.”
  • 7:40 PM henryjz - There are funny British people… they didn’t come over… who came over?? the Puritans!
  • 7:41 PM henryjz - We’re not funny people (American Christians).
  • 7:41 PM henryjz - Today, we’re still not in it but also not standing apart from it… We are simply consuming.
  • 7:42 PM henryjz - Our kids are overrun, then, with media content, and we aren’t influencing it
  • 7:42 PM henryjz - What about Christian TV? haha
  • 7:42 PM henryjz - Christian TV find roots in Christian radio, which found roots in the pulpit
  • 7:43 PM henryjz - “Pulpit amplification systems”
  • 7:43 PM henryjz - TV is primary form of distraction not education
  • 7:44 PM henryjz - VeggieTales for example comes from Christian music, which comes from Christian books, which is more entertainment driven
  • 7:44 PM henryjz - 1999 Christian entertainment peaked and in decline because Christian bookstores are going out of business, which was the model for distribution
  • 7:44 PM henryjz - so what now?
  • 7:45 PM henryjz - watching a video of what Phil is doing
  • 7:48 PM henryjz - taking a look at www.jellytelly.com
  • 7:49 PM henryjz - jellybits.com you can buy shorts
  • 7:50 PM henryjz - opening a format for college kids in film to put out their stuff in short format
  • 7:50 PM henryjz - what about us as children’s ministry workers?
  • 7:50 PM henryjz - should we have media, then?
  • 7:50 PM henryjz - phil won’t jump into that :)
  • 7:50 PM henryjz - smart man
  • 7:51 PM henryjz - will say that if content is good, then it will teach… if not, then no
  • 7:51 PM henryjz - same goes with live teacher or video
  • 7:51 PM henryjz - “most effective teaching device in your class is you”
  • 7:51 PM henryjz - you can do one thing media can’t do, which is love kids
  • 7:52 PM henryjz - we need to help parents wade through this media because they don’t have the resources they need
  • 7:53 PM henryjz - phil is going to put this stuff together in dvd to be able to use
  • 7:53 PM henryjz - philvischer.com and jellytelly.com
  • 7:54 PM henryjz - now to worship and break… see you for session 2!!!

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